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Is Hillary Clinton a neoconservative hawk? What Iraq and Libya decisions tell us about her foreign policy.. 

27/12/2015 By Leave a Comment

Hillary got Iraq vote wrong and Libya and Syria too.

If she were setting the policies what would they look like?

In particular the key claim that something genocidal was about to unfold was entirely unfounded according to a lengthy review of the Libya intervention at the London Review of Books which noted that ‘in retaking the towns that the uprising had briefly wrested from the government’s control Gaddafi’s forces had committed no massacres at all; the fighting had been bitter and bloody but there had been nothing remotely resembling the slaughter at Srebrenica let alone in Rwanda’.

Given that Libya had normalized relations with the West in 2003/2004 – renouncing its former international outlaw role – including an active WMD program – it was strikingly counterproductive to turn on Gaddafi like that if you want to coax other ‘rogue states’ into the community of nations.

So more than a dozen years after the Iraq War vote—which she’s finally semi-apologized for—the vote itself is less important than the broader framework in which she cast it – how she explained herself and how she’s acted since.

What really matters about her decision back then is what it tells about how she’d try to shape the future.

With Rand Paul all but disappearing from sight the GOP is now unified in its commitment to war war war.

They will fight fire with gasoline until the last oil well runs dry.

If there’s going to be any learning from past mistakes – any chance at all – it’s entirely up to the Democrats.

So what are the chances with Hillary?

Not very good I’d argue.

But they can only improve by better understanding past mistakes.

So let’s begin with her Iraq War vote and how she justified it at the time.

Here are the main problems that jump out from it:

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Source: Is Hillary Clinton a neoconservative hawk? What Iraq and Libya decisions tell us about her foreign policy – Salon.com

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How the west broke Libya and returned it to the hatred of the past..

23/10/2015 By 2 Comments

When Muammar Gaddafi was toppled the bastion he built crumbled too. Who can restore national unity now?

What exactly was toppled in Libya with the overthrow of Muammar Gadaffi?

A dictator, or a working power structure?

It was utterly predictable that military intervention would be a fiasco.

Sadly the lessons of the Iraq war did not alert Nato leaders to the disastrous consequences of their punitive mission.

Western military strategists had of course identified the nerve centres they would need to target to bring down their enemy.

But they failed to take account of the most essential consideration: the nature of the Arab-Berber world.

And it’s this monumental oversight that holds the key to Libya’s current’s chaos – along with the chaos that has been tearing the Iraqi people apart for over a decade.

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Source: How the west broke Libya and returned it to the hatred of the past | Yasmina Khadra | Comment is free | The Guardian

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“..NATO Knew Its Intervention In Libya Would Create Chaos And Aid al-Qaeda..” 

18/3/2015 By Leave a Comment

“..This reveals a dishonest attempt to manipulate public opinion –

– through outright deception..”

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 NATO Knew Its Intervention In Libya Would Create Chaos And Aid al-Qaeda  :  Information Clearing House – ICH.

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“..When will the West own up to the role it’s played in the implosion of Libya?..”

20/2/2015 By Leave a Comment

“..No one even considers whether we bear some responsibility for this situation..”

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(ed:..this is from ukips’ farage..(i know..!..i know..!..)

..but the points he makes here are valid..

..and and i don’t see anyone else highlighting this that needs to be highlighted..)

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When will the West own up to the role it’s played in the implosion of Libya? – Commentators – Voices – The Independent.

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“..Libya’s Arab spring: the revolution that ate its children..” (+ comment:..and the ignorances of the leftwing war-mongers..)

17/2/2015 By Leave a Comment

“..Four years after Muammar Gaddafi was killed –

– the high hopes of Libya’s activists have crumbled –

– as Isis fills the vacuum left by scrapping militias..”

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(ed:..i was astonished at the time by the widespread swallowing of the cia-kool-ade by so many new zealand ‘leftists’..

..how they joined in on the fretting/hand-wringing-chorus of ‘something must be done’..’if not us..who?’..

..and how they supported the americans invading/overthrowing of the head of the most secular-state in the arab world..

..one that had social-welfare/citizen-support policies that wsd have made those nz ‘lefties’ weep in envy..

..free education for all..to doctorate-level..

..and newly-married couples given u.s.$40,000..

..to help them get started in life..

..totally free healthcare..

..that is just three of a suite of support libyan-citizens all got as ‘rights’..

..now libya is a fundamentalist/sectarian/civil-war ridden hellhole..

..well done..!..those new zealand ‘lefties’..eh..?

..i wd really like to see the likes of keith locke from the greens..(the ‘big-surprise’ for me in kool-ade-drinkers..)

..i wd like to see him..and those rightwing blairite labour people..who were also kool-ade drinkers/swallowers..

..to now revisit that ‘call’..

..and to maybe try to explain/defend it..in some/any way..?

..but i’m not holding my breath..eh..?

..as many of those gung-ho for invading gadaffi..

..now support sending our soldiers to be killed fighting the fundamentalist nut-jobs that overthrow created..

..it seems they learn little from history..

..do they have the short-term memories of fucken guppies..?

(and funny story..!..our saudi arabian friends/allies (‘y’know..!..that country where women are not allowed to drive cars..?..and are beheaded for things like heresy..?..)

..they fully supported the overthrow of gadaffi…mainly ‘cos the secular-model arab society he ran..terrified/threatened them…

..and their repressive grip on the throat of saudi arabian society..

..and funny story two..!..they are/have been the major funders of isis..

.how’s them berries..?..

..food for thought for those war-mongering ‘lefties’..?…d’yareckon..?..)

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Libya’s Arab spring: the revolution that ate its children | World news | The Guardian.

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