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		<title>Comment on commentator kieran trass predicts a big new zealand bank is about to fall over/go belly-up..&#8217;in the very near future&#8217;&#8230; by mickeytannenbaum</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/commentator-kieran-trass-predicts-a-big-new-zealand-bank-is-about-to-fall-overgo-belly-up-in-the-very-near-future/comment-page-1/#comment-364264</link>
		<dc:creator>mickeytannenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how Paul Holmes’ article on the Herald website had comments switched on, where as AUT Professor Taonui’s article has comments switched off. . . Taonui&#039;s article was so one-sided, it&#039;s worth touching on some of his points:

“The theory of White Privilege explains how dominant European groups consciously and unconsciously maintain the advantage of the inter-generational wealth they accrue from the subjugation of subordinate ethnic and indigenous groups.”

- This explanation is not relevant to modern NZ. It’s merely more apologist claptrap and excuses from Maori such as Taonui for a disproportionately large percentage of his people refusing to look to the future and achieve. The “advantage” he mentions is called personal responsibility and hard work. Intergenerational wealth comes from financial literacy (from commitment to study and education) and hard work. If these ‘disaffected’ Maori began respecting themselves, looking to the future and not the past, and sought to better themselves through personal responsibility and hard work rather than tax payers’ money, they would find they too have the intergenerational wealth he speaks of.

“They do this by lauding their domination as progress, denying history. . . ”

This is exactly the point. It is history. It’s the past. Those ‘disaffected’ Maori should look to an inclusive future with the rest of NZers, not divisive ‘protesting’ and constant chasing of the tax payers’ dime.

“Mr Holmes laments the behaviour of protesters towards Pakeha dignitaries, but is blissfully unaware of the vilification and ridicule Maori human rights advocates face on a daily basis.”

Holmes is quite right – those ‘protesters’ behaved in a depraved and (ironicaly) uncultured fashion. Taonui mentions “savages” in his writing – well that aptly describes the rabble ‘protesting’ that day. They look to dwell perpetually in the past and to fuel the I Want It (IWI) treaty gravy train. The PM and any sensible NZer should refuse to engage with such heaving idiots.

“Between 2002 and 2006 28 Maori kids were killed in this way. We know their names. But who remembers the names of the 48 Pakeha children who suffered a similar fate.”

Interestingly, Taonui doesn&#039;t put these figures into percentage terms – if he did, we all know that the 48 Pakeha children would be a vastly smaller percentage of that population subset. Again, perhaps a large dose of self respect, personal and community responsibility, commitment to paid work, and looking to the future (rather than the past and a handout) might help solve the problem. But no, it’s all Whitey’s fault and the tax payer must keep on paying.

“Treaty settlements which now total $1.3 billion are less than the $1.77 billion paid to compensate mainly Pakeha investors in South Canterbury Finance.”

So there were no Maori investors ? Why would that be ? A widespread lack of financial literacy (from no commitment to study and education) and hard work perhaps ? See my comments above on how to remedy this.

“As with our Pakeha forebears, he wants Maori to be good, meaning silent.”

No Taonui misses the point yet again (or perhaps doesn&#039;t want to listen ?) – Holmes wants Maori to look to the future, to stop chasing the taxpayers’ dime, to respect themselves and be inclusive in society, and to take personal responsibility rather than blaming everyone but themselves for their problems.

“Protest has been the principle driver of improvements in our race relations over four decades. Nothing has been freely given. Protest is a powerful force for positive change because it raises the consciousness of the disempowered, the awareness of the silent majority and emancipates bigotry. Protest is by nature mobile and will easily accommodate changing the name or location of Waitangi Day. As long as there is injustice there will be protest.”

Rubbish. Maybe it started out this way. But not anymore. These ‘protestors’ Taonui speaks of merely wish to milk the taxpayer for all they’re worth. They want to avoid working for living and personal responsibility. They want a perpetual handout.

Holmes’ views echoed around the country and have clearly a ground swell of support. Most of the country is sick of this sort of behaviour and ‘guilt’ talk about the past. Maori should clean up their act, move on, and include themselves in our country, not look to the past and fuel divisiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how Paul Holmes’ article on the Herald website had comments switched on, where as AUT Professor Taonui’s article has comments switched off. . . Taonui&#8217;s article was so one-sided, it&#8217;s worth touching on some of his points:</p>
<p>“The theory of White Privilege explains how dominant European groups consciously and unconsciously maintain the advantage of the inter-generational wealth they accrue from the subjugation of subordinate ethnic and indigenous groups.”</p>
<p>- This explanation is not relevant to modern NZ. It’s merely more apologist claptrap and excuses from Maori such as Taonui for a disproportionately large percentage of his people refusing to look to the future and achieve. The “advantage” he mentions is called personal responsibility and hard work. Intergenerational wealth comes from financial literacy (from commitment to study and education) and hard work. If these ‘disaffected’ Maori began respecting themselves, looking to the future and not the past, and sought to better themselves through personal responsibility and hard work rather than tax payers’ money, they would find they too have the intergenerational wealth he speaks of.</p>
<p>“They do this by lauding their domination as progress, denying history. . . ”</p>
<p>This is exactly the point. It is history. It’s the past. Those ‘disaffected’ Maori should look to an inclusive future with the rest of NZers, not divisive ‘protesting’ and constant chasing of the tax payers’ dime.</p>
<p>“Mr Holmes laments the behaviour of protesters towards Pakeha dignitaries, but is blissfully unaware of the vilification and ridicule Maori human rights advocates face on a daily basis.”</p>
<p>Holmes is quite right – those ‘protesters’ behaved in a depraved and (ironicaly) uncultured fashion. Taonui mentions “savages” in his writing – well that aptly describes the rabble ‘protesting’ that day. They look to dwell perpetually in the past and to fuel the I Want It (IWI) treaty gravy train. The PM and any sensible NZer should refuse to engage with such heaving idiots.</p>
<p>“Between 2002 and 2006 28 Maori kids were killed in this way. We know their names. But who remembers the names of the 48 Pakeha children who suffered a similar fate.”</p>
<p>Interestingly, Taonui doesn&#8217;t put these figures into percentage terms – if he did, we all know that the 48 Pakeha children would be a vastly smaller percentage of that population subset. Again, perhaps a large dose of self respect, personal and community responsibility, commitment to paid work, and looking to the future (rather than the past and a handout) might help solve the problem. But no, it’s all Whitey’s fault and the tax payer must keep on paying.</p>
<p>“Treaty settlements which now total $1.3 billion are less than the $1.77 billion paid to compensate mainly Pakeha investors in South Canterbury Finance.”</p>
<p>So there were no Maori investors ? Why would that be ? A widespread lack of financial literacy (from no commitment to study and education) and hard work perhaps ? See my comments above on how to remedy this.</p>
<p>“As with our Pakeha forebears, he wants Maori to be good, meaning silent.”</p>
<p>No Taonui misses the point yet again (or perhaps doesn&#8217;t want to listen ?) – Holmes wants Maori to look to the future, to stop chasing the taxpayers’ dime, to respect themselves and be inclusive in society, and to take personal responsibility rather than blaming everyone but themselves for their problems.</p>
<p>“Protest has been the principle driver of improvements in our race relations over four decades. Nothing has been freely given. Protest is a powerful force for positive change because it raises the consciousness of the disempowered, the awareness of the silent majority and emancipates bigotry. Protest is by nature mobile and will easily accommodate changing the name or location of Waitangi Day. As long as there is injustice there will be protest.”</p>
<p>Rubbish. Maybe it started out this way. But not anymore. These ‘protestors’ Taonui speaks of merely wish to milk the taxpayer for all they’re worth. They want to avoid working for living and personal responsibility. They want a perpetual handout.</p>
<p>Holmes’ views echoed around the country and have clearly a ground swell of support. Most of the country is sick of this sort of behaviour and ‘guilt’ talk about the past. Maori should clean up their act, move on, and include themselves in our country, not look to the past and fuel divisiveness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the first ever whoar political-cartoon&#8230; by peterquixote</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/the-first-ever-whoar-political-cartoon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-364263</link>
		<dc:creator>peterquixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its hard to know what to what to think dude, i think maybe you can come back to mainstream for a while</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its hard to know what to what to think dude, i think maybe you can come back to mainstream for a while</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;Abolishing meat is an ethical issue that requires everyone&#8217;s attention&#8230;&#8221; by John W</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/abolishing-meat-is-an-ethical-issue-that-requires-everyones-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-364262</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cluttering up your digestive processes, veins and the nation&#039;s health system may be an ethical matter but is more urgently a health matter.

The evidence is very strong that human carnivores develops Cardiovascular disease that kills more than 40% outright and severely diminishes the health of the remainder whose deaths are catagorised as connected  to other terminal conditions or events.

What are the ethics of ignorance and misinformation promoted by commercial interest including the major part of the farming sector, food processors and marketers, drug companies and parts of the medical fraternity who prescribe pills or surgery but not dietary information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cluttering up your digestive processes, veins and the nation&#8217;s health system may be an ethical matter but is more urgently a health matter.</p>
<p>The evidence is very strong that human carnivores develops Cardiovascular disease that kills more than 40% outright and severely diminishes the health of the remainder whose deaths are catagorised as connected  to other terminal conditions or events.</p>
<p>What are the ethics of ignorance and misinformation promoted by commercial interest including the major part of the farming sector, food processors and marketers, drug companies and parts of the medical fraternity who prescribe pills or surgery but not dietary information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;Nothing like the life of Brian&#8230;&#8221; by antdg</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/nothing-like-the-life-of-brian/comment-page-1/#comment-364261</link>
		<dc:creator>antdg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no denying that Ps Hannah Tamaki is correct. Anyone in their right mind would see that the name of the church of &quot;Future Vision&quot; is just another word/phrase which means Destiny. The writers are just too scared to admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no denying that Ps Hannah Tamaki is correct. Anyone in their right mind would see that the name of the church of &#8220;Future Vision&#8221; is just another word/phrase which means Destiny. The writers are just too scared to admit it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on comment@whoar:&#8230;i cannot understand why the teachers&#8217; union are opposed to the plan to fast-track graduates into teaching at low-decile schools&#8230; by John W</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/commentwhoar-i-cannot-understand-why-the-teachers-union-are-opposed-to-the-plan-to-fast-track-graduates-into-teaching-at-low-decile-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-364260</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;fast track&quot; has been tried before in various forms.
The present recruitment of teachers is inadequate because the rates are not competitive.
Fast tracking will give grounds for further reduction of teacher quality and undercut qualified people.
Fast tracking Doctors or surgeons would be unheard of.

If kids matter then the problem has to be dealt with.  Recruiting is inadequate.

The Union is right to protect both teaching and the students.

War on Warfies and now teaching again.
National hates unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;fast track&#8221; has been tried before in various forms.<br />
The present recruitment of teachers is inadequate because the rates are not competitive.<br />
Fast tracking will give grounds for further reduction of teacher quality and undercut qualified people.<br />
Fast tracking Doctors or surgeons would be unheard of.</p>
<p>If kids matter then the problem has to be dealt with.  Recruiting is inadequate.</p>
<p>The Union is right to protect both teaching and the students.</p>
<p>War on Warfies and now teaching again.<br />
National hates unions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;A public mood that won&#8217;t stand for corporate greed any longer&#8230;&#8221; by John W</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/a-public-mood-that-wont-stand-for-corporate-greed-any-longer/comment-page-1/#comment-364259</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the NZ PM being one of the Vampire bankers with links still hot to the top of the parasitic rat pack, New Zealand is sliding into deeper debt and control of the raiders.   The step by step moves accumulate overseas control of our country, its ability to trade and the fundamental welfare and infrastructure ownership downgraded and privatised for profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the NZ PM being one of the Vampire bankers with links still hot to the top of the parasitic rat pack, New Zealand is sliding into deeper debt and control of the raiders.   The step by step moves accumulate overseas control of our country, its ability to trade and the fundamental welfare and infrastructure ownership downgraded and privatised for profit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;10 Reasons the U.S. Is No Longer the Land of the Free&#8230;&#8221; by John W</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/10-reasons-the-u-s-is-no-longer-the-land-of-the-free/comment-page-1/#comment-364258</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And others

http://www.911truth.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And others</p>
<p><a href="http://www.911truth.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.911truth.org/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;Ontario Tobacco Lawsuit: Court Rules $50 Billion Litigation Can Proceed&#8230;&#8221; by shawn002</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/ontario-tobacco-lawsuit-court-rules-50-billion-litigation-can-proceed/comment-page-1/#comment-364257</link>
		<dc:creator>shawn002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fine and impecceble i think this is really a crucial step to avoid hazards
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webhealthanswers.com/cleanse-smart-review.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cleanse smart&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fine and impecceble i think this is really a crucial step to avoid hazards<br />
<a href="http://www.webhealthanswers.com/cleanse-smart-review.html" rel="nofollow">Cleanse smart</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;Ontario Tobacco Lawsuit: Court Rules $50 Billion Litigation Can Proceed&#8230;&#8221; by shawn002</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/ontario-tobacco-lawsuit-court-rules-50-billion-litigation-can-proceed/comment-page-1/#comment-364256</link>
		<dc:creator>shawn002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well tobacco lawsuit is really important to avoid health hazards
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.colonhealthmagazine.com/colon-products-review/cleanse-smart.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cleanse smart&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well tobacco lawsuit is really important to avoid health hazards<br />
<a href="http://www.colonhealthmagazine.com/colon-products-review/cleanse-smart.html" rel="nofollow">Cleanse smart</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;Naked Yoga? Why I Stripped Down to Do &#8220;Clothing Optional&#8221; Yoga&#8230;&#8221; by shawn002</title>
		<link>http://whoar.co.nz/2012/naked-yoga-why-i-stripped-down-to-do-clothing-optional-yoga/comment-page-1/#comment-364255</link>
		<dc:creator>shawn002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yoga really help to stay healthy and i agree with this.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebeautyinsiders.com/meladerm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Meladerm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yoga really help to stay healthy and i agree with this.<br />
<a href="http://www.thebeautyinsiders.com/meladerm.html" rel="nofollow">Meladerm</a></p>
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